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Group: DynoMotion Message: 7699 From: tesotronics Date: 6/19/2013
Subject: G83 Peck Drilling Problem
Hi,

I've been having troubles with the peck drilling command G83.

In peck drilling, normally a fast move is made to just above previous Z and then a slow move downwards is made for the drill action with the peck depth. Then a fast move is made to retract again.

It very often happens that when I use the G83 command, the fast and slow moves are reversed (or so it seems, something else might be going on). What happens is that the drill goes down into the hole very slowly and when it reaches the depth just above the material to drill, it plunges into the material at the fast rate (which would normally be the retract rate).

Last time I tried, I drilled a series of 3 holes. For the first two holes, the speeds where reversed, then when it arrived at the last hole, it performed the peck drill as I would expect.

I don't understand how this can happen. But since the peck drill commands for all holes where the same (except for the X Y coordinates), I recon there is a bug in the KFLOP firmware or something.

I'm using:

KFLOP 4.30z Build 13:40:48 May 26 2012

Has anyone experienced this as well, or does anyone have an solution for this issue?

Regards,

Mike
Group: DynoMotion Message: 7708 From: Tom Kerekes Date: 6/19/2013
Subject: Re: G83 Peck Drilling Problem
Hi Mike,

I can't think of why that would happen or have heard of it before.  But G83 mixes Rapids (G0) with Feeds (G1) types of moves.  In your version Rapid Moves were not strictly buffered motion so there could be a delay before and after a Rapid depending on what Windows was doing and such.  We now fully buffer Rapids and Dwells with feeds so there should be absolutely no delay between them.  Please consider trying our latest Test Release V4.31f.  

Regards
TK

Group: DynoMotion Message: 7713 From: carlcnc Date: 6/19/2013
Subject: Re: G83 Peck Drilling Problem
MIke
that is definitely a strange one,
I have been using Kflop for about 5 years, from the first version[s] and have never seen this .

Are you using Kmotioncnc? or the Mach plugin?
IF the latter , then that could be the problem,not Kflop
I used Mach1,2,3 for years and in Mach3 there were some bugs with drill cycles,
it would occasionally fail to lift to clearance after the very last G83 cycle and go ripping across your part, GRRRRRR.
Carl



--- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, "tesotronics" <mike.bax@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I've been having troubles with the peck drilling command G83.
>
> In peck drilling, normally a fast move is made to just above previous Z and then a slow move downwards is made for the drill action with the peck depth. Then a fast move is made to retract again.
>
> It very often happens that when I use the G83 command, the fast and slow moves are reversed (or so it seems, something else might be going on). What happens is that the drill goes down into the hole very slowly and when it reaches the depth just above the material to drill, it plunges into the material at the fast rate (which would normally be the retract rate).
>
> Last time I tried, I drilled a series of 3 holes. For the first two holes, the speeds where reversed, then when it arrived at the last hole, it performed the peck drill as I would expect.
>
> I don't understand how this can happen. But since the peck drill commands for all holes where the same (except for the X Y coordinates), I recon there is a bug in the KFLOP firmware or something.
>
> I'm using:
>
> KFLOP 4.30z Build 13:40:48 May 26 2012
>
> Has anyone experienced this as well, or does anyone have an solution for this issue?
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike
>
Group: DynoMotion Message: 7714 From: tesotronics Date: 6/19/2013
Subject: Re: G83 Peck Drilling Problem
Hi Carl,

I've been using the Mach plugin, since I work with a wireless pendant that has been designed specifically for Mach3. I'll see if the same error occurs when I use Kmotioncnc. If not, then at least I have a clue where the error comes from, but that still doesn't fix my problem. I really want to keep using my pendant.

Mike

--- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, "carlcnc" <carlcnc@...> wrote:
>
> MIke
> that is definitely a strange one,
> I have been using Kflop for about 5 years, from the first version[s] and have never seen this .
>
> Are you using Kmotioncnc? or the Mach plugin?
> IF the latter , then that could be the problem,not Kflop
> I used Mach1,2,3 for years and in Mach3 there were some bugs with drill cycles,
> it would occasionally fail to lift to clearance after the very last G83 cycle and go ripping across your part, GRRRRRR.
> Carl
>
>
>
> --- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, "tesotronics" <mike.bax@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've been having troubles with the peck drilling command G83.
> >
> > In peck drilling, normally a fast move is made to just above previous Z and then a slow move downwards is made for the drill action with the peck depth. Then a fast move is made to retract again.
> >
> > It very often happens that when I use the G83 command, the fast and slow moves are reversed (or so it seems, something else might be going on). What happens is that the drill goes down into the hole very slowly and when it reaches the depth just above the material to drill, it plunges into the material at the fast rate (which would normally be the retract rate).
> >
> > Last time I tried, I drilled a series of 3 holes. For the first two holes, the speeds where reversed, then when it arrived at the last hole, it performed the peck drill as I would expect.
> >
> > I don't understand how this can happen. But since the peck drill commands for all holes where the same (except for the X Y coordinates), I recon there is a bug in the KFLOP firmware or something.
> >
> > I'm using:
> >
> > KFLOP 4.30z Build 13:40:48 May 26 2012
> >
> > Has anyone experienced this as well, or does anyone have an solution for this issue?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Mike
> >
>
Group: DynoMotion Message: 7717 From: carlcnc Date: 6/20/2013
Subject: Re: G83 Peck Drilling Problem
Mike
over the years I have used /tried many cnc softwares
Microkinetics LPT indexer ,CNCpro Master 5 and all levels of Mach.

I have never used a pendant so I can't help you with that but
I bet there is a way to get the pendant to work with KMotioncnc
just takes someone smarter than me

I have to confess I put the idea of a Mach plugin to Tom[sorry Tom]
years ago.
In the end I think it has been a boondoggle as Kmotion is WAAAY
better trajectory planner
that is much more important to me than all the bells and whistles you get with Mach.

just my opinion

Carl


--- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, "tesotronics" <mike.bax@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Carl,
>
> I've been using the Mach plugin, since I work with a wireless pendant that has been designed specifically for Mach3. I'll see if the same error occurs when I use Kmotioncnc. If not, then at least I have a clue where the error comes from, but that still doesn't fix my problem. I really want to keep using my pendant.
>
> Mike
>
> --- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, "carlcnc" <carlcnc@> wrote:
> >
> > MIke
> > that is definitely a strange one,
> > I have been using Kflop for about 5 years, from the first version[s] and have never seen this .
> >
> > Are you using Kmotioncnc? or the Mach plugin?
> > IF the latter , then that could be the problem,not Kflop
> > I used Mach1,2,3 for years and in Mach3 there were some bugs with drill cycles,
> > it would occasionally fail to lift to clearance after the very last G83 cycle and go ripping across your part, GRRRRRR.
> > Carl
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, "tesotronics" <mike.bax@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I've been having troubles with the peck drilling command G83.
> > >
> > > In peck drilling, normally a fast move is made to just above previous Z and then a slow move downwards is made for the drill action with the peck depth. Then a fast move is made to retract again.
> > >
> > > It very often happens that when I use the G83 command, the fast and slow moves are reversed (or so it seems, something else might be going on). What happens is that the drill goes down into the hole very slowly and when it reaches the depth just above the material to drill, it plunges into the material at the fast rate (which would normally be the retract rate).
> > >
> > > Last time I tried, I drilled a series of 3 holes. For the first two holes, the speeds where reversed, then when it arrived at the last hole, it performed the peck drill as I would expect.
> > >
> > > I don't understand how this can happen. But since the peck drill commands for all holes where the same (except for the X Y coordinates), I recon there is a bug in the KFLOP firmware or something.
> > >
> > > I'm using:
> > >
> > > KFLOP 4.30z Build 13:40:48 May 26 2012
> > >
> > > Has anyone experienced this as well, or does anyone have an solution for this issue?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> >
>